The Babri Masjid was a Masjid in Ayodhya, it was destroyed by a group of 150,000 unjust people who call themselves Karsevaks & Hindus during a planned ceremony on December 6, 1992 despite a commitment to the Indian Supreme Court that the Masjid would not be harmed. More than 2000 people were killed in the ensuing riots following the demolition. Riots broke out in many major Indian cities including Mumbai & Delhi etc.
Liberhan Commission headed by the retired judge of Supreme Court M S Liberhan was constituted on Dec16th, 1992 by an order of the Indian Union Home Ministry following the demolition of the Babri Masjid in Ayodhya on 6 December and the riots in Ayodhya. The Commission was expected to submit its report within three months. After a delay of 17 years, the commission submitted the report to the Prime Minister of India Dr. Manmohan Singh on 30 June 2009.Today,on 23 November 2009, the report leaked to the media. There was an uproar in the Lok Sabha. The opposition blamed the Home Ministry for deliberately leaking the report. The Parliament session had to be adjourned on the same day. The Government assured to table the report with an ATR(Action Taken Report) during the winter session of the Parliament.
The one-man panel, one of the country’s longest running inquiry commissions cost the government Rs.8 crore wrote the report on the sequence of events leading to the razing of the Babri mosque by Hindu mobs on Dec 6, 1992.
Sources told IANS that besides identifying those who played a role in the destruction of the 16th century masjid, the commission would also unravel why and how the demolition happened and name the larger forces and actors responsible for it.
Appointed by former prime minister Late. P.V. Narasimha Rao two weeks after the demolition on Dec 16, 1992, to ward off criticism against his government for having failed to protect the masjid, the commission in August 2005 finished hearing its last witness Kalyan Singh — who was Uttar Pradesh chief minister at the time of the demolition and was dismissed soon after.
In 16 years of its proceedings, the commission recorded statements of several politicians, bureaucrats and police officials including Kalyan Singh, late Narasimha Rao, former deputy prime minister L.K. Advani and his colleagues Murli Manohar Joshi and Uma Bharati as well as Mulayam Singh Yadav.
Top bureaucrats and police officials of Uttar Pradesh, the then district magistrate R.N. Srivastava and Senior Superintendent of Police D.B. Roy of Ayodhya also recorded their statements on the demolition.
Even today people like Uma bharti, L.K.Advani etc are still insisting on the fact that a Ram Mandir should be constructed on the site. Are they human beings with sound mind and heart? They are playing on the top of confused masses. People who disturb a thing already in order and destroy PEACE are TO BE STOPPED.
I know what tells the Hindu religion- its only attempt is PEACE. May be Hinduism differs from Islam on various concepts but both attempt to achieve Peace.
This is not HINDUISM.
updated on 24.11.09 : The Liberhan Commission has held 68 people individually culpable for leading the country ‘to the brink of communal discord’. The list includes former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, senior BJP leaders L.K. Advani and Murli Manohar Joshi as well as Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray.
Amongst the others in the list are then Uttar Pradesh chief minister Kalyan Singh, Vishwa Hindu Parishad leaders Ashok Singhal and Pravin Togadia, RSS chief K.S. Sudarshan as well as Govindacharya, the late Vijayaraje Scindia, Vinay Katiyar, Uma Bharti and Sadhvi Rithambara.
Bureaucrats have been named too, including A.K. Saran, inspector general (security) and chief secretary V.K. Saxena.
Lacking intensity, may be a forced article to prove something. Anyway something is better than nothing, as I thought you are with sangh parivar as it has brought down a masjid, Majid you hate the most as its the place where Salah is performed and you think that’s an innovation so may be some where in you heart there is a smile that this is a good thing, but you cannot display it. (May be, Probably, Possibly)
And who will stop the perpetrators? Government, who itself is against Islam, or the police, which is nothing but anti-muslim force. You cant expect anything from anyone except Allah.
So Muslims should stop asking and its agencies for justice, and do something for ourselves.
Salamun Alaik—-
A Muslim in Qur’an is one who establishes Peace through As Salaat i.e upholding Truth, Equity and Justice. They are not suppossed to ask any favour from anybody but they are people who should come forward to build a society ensuring Peace. This is the Salaat, Allah speaks in the Qur’an and not the one in which after the decided number of Rakaats of Salaat people disperse and get lost in their own worlds of me & mine.
The spirit of the concept of congregation is lost. This is what the innovatores wanted to do. To shift the focus from the teachings of Qur’an to the ritualistic performances.
Syed, I think you’re going off the track. You can agree to disagree. As a member of audience, you are entitled to express your opinion. But, no where, you have the right to get personal here. Comments like “Sangh Parivar” and stuff do not only expose your inability to participate in a debate but also exposes your lack of knowledge in Islam. If it’s a platform of debate, let’s debate. You’re going out of the way to prove your point. I think the blogger has been polite enough and transparent enough to approve your comments.
Dear Friend ,
Salamun Alaik—–
Actually being sarcastic is not the spirit of Islam, being rational is the spirit of Islam. I don’t know how will this theme of Sarcacism & hatred help brother Amjad to propagate Islam and call people to the way of Allah? This kind of attitude will not help in any way in the construction of a rightful society.
My brother Amjad understands the present day form of Salah as the purpose of a Masjid and he is unaware how Qur’an explains the purpose of Masjid in the construction of a safe society. Masjid is to be used for As Salaat for the progress of human race.
In a Masjid the people of the area should collect and settle their affairs by joint consultation. All vices of a society can be extinguised with As Salaat. In a Masjid all decisions will be taken from the perspective of upholding TRUTH, EQUITY AND JUSTICE from the fear of Allah and not for any other reasons.This is Tazkiya ( purification)
Masjid should remain open round the clock to meet the requirement of the society i.e MASJID IS A PLACE OF SAFETY AND SECURITY.
I have more to share with him & others but I am only trying to come up gradually.
I have never asked to approve my comments, nor will I do so its up to him to decide whether the comments have to be approved or not. Kitaabi My comments have hurt you as it contains bitter truth, which you cannot digest in public. As far as getting personal is concerned then in this comment I have not spoken anything personal but the Ideology which this blog and Ahle Quran upholds, even Ahle Quran wants no Salaat ( Namaaz for Your Understanding ) so they might like to destroy the Mosques to destroy the so called innovation according to them, its perfectly rational to state that according to the teachings of Ahle Quran and the beliefs which the Host holds. Yes, I agree that in some other places I have commented in a way which are a bit personal, but I have still restrained myself from commenting on many personal issues. If you speak about the rights, then I think I reserve the right to get personal as I regard him as my brother and I do not want him to go astray.
Coming to your second point, that “I do not have the ability to participate in debate, nor do I have knowledge of Islam”.
Don’t you think you have done same thing which you were alleging on me? I can’t understand the logic behind your statements “at one side you lay a condition that if a person have the ability to enter a dialogue he will not get personal and on the other hand you attack them personally”. I have posted on the Ideology of specific cult on this blog and you alleged that I was getting personal. Then you speak on my abilities (DEBATE) and regarding my knowledge without being personal, and you think that you were not getting personal?, If I don’t have the right to get personal, then from where did you got permission to get personal? Are exception to it? Double standards are not the quality of Muslim.
I am not trying to prove a point that I have great debating skills or I am having knowledge of Islam, I know I lack in my debating skills, I have my weak points and I am also student of Islam so I also need to gain more knowledge of Islam ( Please do not get mistaken here, as Alhamdulillah Allah has given me that minimum knowledge which is required to understand the various cults and get saved from there calamity)
Salamun Alaik Bhai Amjad—-
Who says I want to destroy the masjids. U r totally wrong.
Anyway, have u read my communication to Friend Kitaabi ? Have you seen what is the concept of Masjid in Qur’an. Donot call by names and groups , we all are Muslims if we uphold truth, equity and Justice. I know that if you follow my Blog regularly you will come to know many more things.
Without the proper functioning of Masjids & without As-Salaat, societies are bound to collapse as it happened today. The condition of the Muslims allthroughout the World is because of lacking of As-Salaat.
But what is it ? What is meant by a congregation ? What is Juma ?
Plz try to learn it from the Qur’an.
We are all students like you and Allah is the teacher ( Allahmal Qur’an)
Some times being sarcastic helps, but in most of the places I think I have been reasonably rational, the problem is our ideologies collides, everything you post is against my beliefs and Islam and my every comment is against you and your religion. You consider my comments to be sarcastic, so do I consider them (acknowledging that at 2 or 3 places I have been more sarcastic than you, but I can’t help my self being so after seeing very base of Islam under attack).
Coming to your point of I being unaware of the Masjid being place that is for construction of society, (I think you were being sarcastic here
). Please allow me to get personal here, so that your misconception can be removed ( I think you people need this types of formalities more, to make it go down below your throat easily ). I think we have discussed this several times before and you were opposed to this when I used to say Masjid is a place where many other tasks should be performed, If you don’t remember ( Please remember the discussion of Azizia-Masjid when you criticized SIO for holding educational counseling in Azizia Masjid, and I was in favor of that ).
We are certainly aware of the fact that Mosques should be used for construction of society, but we do not forget or deny the primary purpose for which Mosque was built for first time. We do agree that it should be utilized for more activities, but the primary most thing which we disagree with you is your denial of the very Salah, of which the chain has never broken from the day Prophet first prayed.
Salamun Alaik my bhai amjad,
Yes, I remember I disagreed with you that day ( hope a few years back, right ) as I was not in a position to take a decision on my own due to lack of studies and followed what elders said ( which happens to most of the Muslims today). Now this is my own understanding based on my studies.
But as of today I still disagree with the nature of activities that takes place like 1) Constructing a students hostel inside the premises of the Masjid 2) Career counselling inside the Masjid premises etc of that sort.
The major problems of the society are still unattended. There is no action taken based on a collective decision in a Masjid. Masjid is an office instituted by Allah for the Muslims where every decision regarding the affairs of the society has to be taken on the guidelines of Qur’an collectively by all the members of the Society. Decisions on matters pertaining to security, law and order, finance, food, education, shelter, health & human rights etc are to be taken in a Masjid for common Welfare & Progress.
The construction of a hostel may be an outcome of such a decision and to be executed outside the premises of a Masjid. Career counselling will take place in a career counselling centre but students of the society who could not afford should be taken care of by the members of the society through a collective decision in a Masjid.
Masjid is a place where the Society should take all measures ( with wealth & life if required ) to uphold TRUTH, EQUITY AND JUSTICE for no reason other than from the belief of Day of Judgement.
As you have very well concluded that this is your own understanding based on your studies. It simply means you have understood Quran according to your own understanding with your own studies, your criteria might differ from truth, your criteria might not be Islamic, as you have your won criteria. I do not have my own criteria, nor I understand according to my own understanding as I know if everyone starts to understand Quran according to there own needs then results will be sects and divisions.
At one place you state that Mosques are not for Congregational Salah, but for construction of society and here you say that you do not want it be used for construction of society. Still you are confused what you actually want.
You have stated:
A. I still disagree with the nature of activities that takes place like 1) Constructing a students hostel inside the premises of the Masjid 2) Career counselling inside the Masjid premises etc of that sort.
B. Decisions on matters pertaining to security, law and order, finance, food, education, shelter, health & human rights etc are to be taken in a Masjid for common Welfare & Progress.
Conflicting statements as you do not have the criteria as to what are decisions that have to be taken in mosques, at one place you say you disagree that career counseling should not be held in Mosque and at the other you say Mosques should be used for decisions on matters pertaining to …, EDUCATION…
I don’t know what word to be used, but the only suitable word that I can find is this is “Hypocrisy”.
This all things happen when you do not have the criteria to judge and when you do not have the support of Prophet’s wisdom. Denying the wisdom of prophet will leads to this types of conflicts.
Salamun Alaik brother Amjad,
There is no conflict in my previous reply. Plz read it again as i have also given an example . I, once again clarify that taking collective decisions and execution are two different steps, the decision has to be taken inside the Masjid and execution has to be done outside it.
Collective decision taken on consultation inside the Masjid based on the Zikr of Allah would has to be carried outside the Masjid. e.g- The decision of mode of distribution of sadaqaat collected has to be taken inside the Masjid based on situations prevailing and requirement even the requirement has to be decided inside the Masjid but its distribution according to the collective decision has to take place where it has to be.
You are now trying to deceive by giving other interpretations, even that interpretation wont save you.
So indeed thats what they are doing they are taking collective decisions of what career should one pursue and they are implementing it outside of Masjid by joining that field or taking up that career. I do not understand why you keep on defending lies, accepting mistakes will not make you smaller (This beautiful teaching is in Hadeeth so you wont believe).
Salamun Alaik,
Please focus on use of correct words. Do you know what is meant by Deceit?
Can you tell me Amjad how many people both from the Muslims and Non- Muslims do you meet everyday to understand their problems and be a part of their life?
It seems you don’t know where we stand. Do you know what is the percentage of the total population in the world that has not yet got the minimum education because of poverty? Do you know how many Muslims & Non Muslims starve every day? Do you know how many Muslims & non muslims practise domestic violence every day? Do you know how many people are fighting for mere property? Can you tell me how many children are working for the want of livelihood? Do you know how neighboors are fighting for negligible issues? Do you know how many people die without Medical treatment ? Do you know how many parents inspite of their well to do children stay in old age homes? Dont you know how many people are killed and thrown out of their homes because of difference of Faith? How theft has increased ? How suicide & murders have increased? and many more ——-
I once again say that in a Masjid a collective decision on very serious issues are to be made. Issues that ultimately will affect in ESTABLISHMENT OF PEACE EQUITY AND JUSTICE.
Your comment :- Do you know what is meant by Deceit?
No I do not know what is meant by deceit. So Please explain.
I don’t think I should answer to this question of “how many people do I meet to solve there problems”. Reasons are as follows.
1. If I state you that I meet many people and I am trying to be a part of there life, then it will be boasting, flamboyancy (Riya) which is a severe sin in Islam. Nor will be I justified doing so.
2. If I state you I am not doing anything, then you will try to drag all Muslims on the same platform and you will try to prove that “if we deny pearls of prophet then only we can do these things”.
3. Is this question in anyway related to topic?, I think the question does not finds a place in this discussion.
4. I should not fall into the trap which you have placed to divert the attention from your mistake which has been exposed.
Coming to your second part.
Your statement :- “It seems you don’t know where we stand.”
It seems that only you know where we stand and it seems you think remaining every one is blind and fool they do not know(Of course except people who deny the pearls of Prophet).
Your Statement :- “Do you know what is the percentage of the total population in the world that has not yet got the minimum education because of poverty? Do you know how many Muslims & Non Muslims starve every day? Do you know how many Muslims & non muslims practise domestic violence every day? Do you know how many people are fighting for mere property? Can you tell me how many children are working for the want of livelihood? Do you know how neighboors are fighting for negligible issues? Do you know how many people die without Medical treatment ? Do you know how many parents inspite of their well to do children stay in old age homes? Dont you know how many people are killed and thrown out of their homes because of difference of Faith? How theft has increased ? How suicide & murders have increased? and many more ——-”
No I do not know, I am an Illiterate who do not know about whats going on, nor I know how to read statistics nor I can read news papers nor I understand the news nor I am aware about plight of humans in Sudan, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Thailand, Tunisia and on and on.
How is my knowledge of this things related to people using Masjid as a center for counselling or not?
But what are you doing? except holding Muslims responsible for all the above and blaming Pearls of Prophet for the current situation?, except pitching Muslims against Islam?, except trying to drive away Muslims from knowing the manners, achievements, & life of Prophet Muhammad PBUH?
Even if you are serious about the ongoing conflicts and troubles with humans, then only solution that can save the mankind from this disgrace is following Quran and Sunnah, following the commandments of Allah SWT in the same manner in which Prophet PBUH understood and taught his companions. The moment we start to interpret the verses according to our own desires then many sects will arise, I will not agree with your interpretation, you wont agree with mines and there will be chaos. Only solution to stop this calamity is to ponder over Quran by pondering over Hadeeth.
Once again you say that Mosque is a place to collective decisions, but you deny taking collective decisions that is effecting the Establishment of Peace, equity and that decision is taking the collective decision on the career of students which is directly related to the criteria stated by you. But as I stated there is no parameter over which we can come to terms as you think with your brain and I use the pearls of Prophet over my Brain, thereby I do not reduce the mosque to be just merely a conference hall, but its a place of beautiful worship called Salah, which has been even prescribed in Quran, but you take your own meaning and I depend upon prophet for that meaning. I take the meaning of 5 times salah same as prophet took and established the obligatory 5 times prayers and since then the process is going on without discontinuity. Only people to introduce this concept of denying the life and deeds of Prophet are
1. Rashid Khalifa & his followers
2. G A Parvez and his followers
3. Abdullah Chakralwi & his followers
You fall into number 3. But You want to float another such organization for reasons which I do not want to state.
SALAMUN ALAIK,
We will take our debate further only when you tell me how Rasulullah explained the verses 1 to 18 of An Najm as you demand that you know how Rasulullah explained the verses of Quran and that source is ‘Hadith & Sunna.
Where is my reply?
Salamun Alaik,
Do you remember the following communication from my side to you on 3rd of this month. Plz tell us how Rasulullah Explained the verses 1 to 18 of Surah An-Najm of the Qur’an ……………………..
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Submitted on 2009/12/03 at 5:01pm
Salamun Alaik,
You have written that ” Surely Allah gave us Quran, but never called us Quranists, or Ahle Qur’an etc He called us Muslims, ……….” then where from have you taken the authority to call me so ?
You have written, ” I donot interpret the Qur’an according to my own wishes, understanding or desires but I take the meaning which was explained by Prophet Muhammad PBUH”
How did you conclude that I have interpreted the Qur’an according to my own wishes & desires ?
Leave Abdullah Chakralwi, G A Parvez, & Dr. Rashad khalifa, from your comments it is clear that you interpret Qur’an as was explained by Prophet Muhammad PBUH, then please explain me the first eighteen verses of Surah An- Najm (Surah No. 53) versewise as explained by the Prophet.
I would eagerly wait for your reply.
Salamun Alaik brother amjad—
I am worried about you as there has been no communication from your side since a long time. Plz reply if you are fine.
If u r fine then plz write to me how Rasulullah explained the first 18 verses of Sura An-Najm of the Qur’an. I have requested the same on 03/12/09, 06/12/09, 08/12/09 and once again today , please respond to the same.